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milwaukee belle

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Post Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:36 pm

Ya said " NON-FACTORY "?

( except the saddlebags )

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comments , please !!!!!
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Post Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:01 pm

Re: Ya said " NON-FACTORY "?

Too bad if one guy wants to go left and the other one right!!
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Post Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:35 pm

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Nick55KH wrote:Too bad if one guy wants to go left and the other one right!!


Look real close at the front view pic. There is a center control arm attached to pitman arms at the rear of each springers fork legs. Pa
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Post Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:38 pm

Re: Ya said " NON-FACTORY "?

And I thought I had too much time on my hands!! Outstanding. Definitely thinking outside of the box. It might even corner better than a regular trike, those 2 front wheel jobs are supposed to, I guess.
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:08 am

Re: Ya said " NON-FACTORY "?

listen :
my advice is "this is a REAL ORIGINAL factory-hybrid" made in late 42 ( brazed forks , "V"-dash , aluminium carb. elbow... )
i think "late" coz od the dust washers on the front wheel hubs ...
look CLOSER at THIS :
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as you can SEE : the frame is NOT CUT .

the gearbox rail simply has NOT been welded on .
( that's why there's a hole )

that is to say :
"this hybrid is a factory-made" :shock:

what d'you think about this ?
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:20 am

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other detail :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Sportster's risers ....
( PLOF ! :oops: )
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:17 am

Re: Ya said " NON-FACTORY "?

what I think is, that given the sheer quantity and detail of material available about the WL series, if this were a factory-made special there would be something, somewhere on the subject - and I've certainly never seen it

next question - what possible function could such an elaborate hybrid serve? Why would anyone specify such a thing?
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:24 am

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Load capacity. Bike could have been meant as a field ammo distributor. Maybe a claymore field removal service ? Note the two large box containers mounted closer to the suspension but yet distributed fairly equally between the axles for load bearing. Chris Haynes comes out with rare demo bike pics all the time. The literature documentation of such hybrids is not available to the general public. That is...until folks like Fran-6 and Chris put them out to the public. I'm with Fran-6 on this machine. It is factory IMO. Military probably said no to it. Thus...only this one, or a few more, may ever have been built.
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:29 am

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How about putting the rest of the bikes pics up Fran-6. Would luv to see as many views of it as I could. That machine really hits my fancy ! :D
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:40 pm

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load capacity? No.. a sidecar holds more, weighs the same or less, must cost less and was already in the range. Same for the servicar

performance? hardly..

handling would be atrocious, there is a bike you occasionally see at VMCC cyclemotor section meetings similar to this, with a clip-on 50cc engine, and the owner assures me the handling is terrifying :shock:

but, quite a few people have thought the military would buy loopy 3-wheelers, try this one.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Sociable
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:03 pm

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Not to mention how do you kick it???

Polish guys have too much time on their hands...

Patrick
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:35 pm

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Yeah...How do you start that puppy ?
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:43 pm

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Pa wrote:Yeah...How do you start that puppy ?


Straddling the right seat with your left leg. :?
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:08 pm

Re: Ya said " NON-FACTORY "?

milwaukee belle wrote:listen :
my advice is "this is a REAL ORIGINAL factory-hybrid" made in late 42 ( brazed forks , "V"-dash , aluminium carb. elbow... )
i think "late" coz od the dust washers on the front wheel hubs ...
look CLOSER at THIS :
Image

as you can SEE : the frame is NOT CUT .

the gearbox rail simply has NOT been welded on .
( that's why there's a hole )

that is to say :
"this hybrid is a factory-made" :shock:

what d'you think about this ?


surely it would be possible to simply heat the joint, maybe grind the head off the pin, and unbraze it, just pull the gearbox casting out without cutting?
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:14 pm

Re: Ya said " NON-FACTORY "?

With the frame geometry the way it is on a 45, you would have to disassemble point 1 through out points ***** before you got to the section you needed to remove. Those frames are an engineering puzzle. To assemble them, you have to start with a particular fitting and tube, and work you way to the last part for a completed assembly. Kind of like an A through Z puzzle build. If you don't start assembly of the frame with the correct fitting, you may get most of the way through the assembly but the last few components will be impossible to add to the assembly. If one had factory frame component assembly instructions, I'm certain the instructions would start with part A and then continue assembly instruction in a strict particular order, until the last few components fell into place. Pays to be real familiar with natural gas pipe plumbing if reworking a 45 frame. :wink:
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Post Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:58 pm

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Yes but someone wanting to disassemble or alter a frame could remove any specific parts in any order they wanted and would require no more than a torch or a hacksaw.
To each their own but I see no value other than the nice parts that were, in my opinion, misused....
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Post Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:32 am

Re: Ya said " NON-FACTORY "?

what Pa said. I've never tried to assemble a 45 frame, but I have had experience of partly disassembling and reassenbling old British frames ( to change the geometry for grasstrack racing, as it happens ) and it is very awkward without the right jigs. I assume 45s would be asembled and brazed in a jig at the factory?

I'm not at all convinced by the picture of the tube end. Firstly it's not clear enough, secondly I would want to see the equivalent ends behind the saddle post. Seeing as the whole bike has obviously been painted as a unit and contains at least some later parts, possibly repro, ( especially the Sportster handlebar clamps! ) I'd say you couldn't really judge from that picture

I'd agree with 37ULH, waste of good parts
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Post Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:16 am

Re: Ya said " NON-FACTORY "?

Guys
i would love to share more pics about this "three-wheeler" but these two ones are the only ones i own .

i found them on a WW2/all vehicles preservation , restoration website :
http://www.g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=152212
it was said in the message "...this véhicle has been sold thru E-Bay Germany some months before ..."
( no link to the other pics )

Maybe Chris Haynes was fast enough to catch all the pics shown on E-Bay ....


other thing i was thinking about :

If this is a FAKE :
i can't understand WHY a ( mad ) guy spent so much hours and money to créate such a thing !
i'm talking about BUCKS !
ya can believe me : i see LOTS OF ORIGINAL NOS 42 parts on this !!!!
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Post Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:23 am

Re: Ya said " NON-FACTORY "?

other things :
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Post Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:40 am

Re: Ya said " NON-FACTORY "?

Got to say, looks more like "Circus Exhibit" rather than "Army Issue" to me. Nicely done, but that's about it since it misses my "practicability" test on all points.

Let's face it, you'll carry more gear on a solo 45 than on this contraption, so what would be the army/prototype idea behind this????? Current manufactured stuff...

Patrick
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