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45Brit

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Post Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:51 am

twin tube frames for 45 racers.

I was intrigued by the picture of the twin-downtube frame 45 racer lately posted in the foot-shift thread.

I do know that H-D produced a limited number ( probably 25 ) of a bike listed as the DAH in the late 20s or early 30s, incorporating a special ohv conversion and in at least some cases, a special twin down-tube frame. At least one bike appears to have been fitted with a springer fork converted to trailing-link operation. Given the detail differences between the remaining specimens, I rather get the impression that it was really a series of factory competition bikes using the ohv conversion engine as the only assembly common to them all.

the bike shown on here has a very modern-looking frame which appears to be an all-welded tubular frame, as far as can be seen. The rear axle detail appears to have a flat axle plate with straight tubes welded along the top and bottom, much as modern custom frames often have.

Does anyone know anything about this frame or any contemporary units?
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Post Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:44 am

Re: twin tube frames for 45 racers.

thought the axle plates looked like wl type
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45Brit

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Post Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:05 am

Re: twin tube frames for 45 racers.

hard to be sure, from the available definition. One thing though, the angle between the upper and lower chainstays doesn't match a WL or WR - the lower chain stay would come to the back of the gearbox at or about the same level as the crankshaft.

It makes me wonder whether it is either a modified Big Twin chassis - given that this would be about the same weight as a 45 unit, apparently - or a 45 chassis with a fabricated front and lower frame grafted on. I'd go for the first option.
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busterbboy

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Post Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:23 pm

Re: twin tube frames for 45 racers.

The bike is a factory experiment, designated WRL.
The frame looks like a one-off, no cast parts by the look off it.
Nice high pipes! The front jug looks reworked.
The lever on the 'bars is the clutch - no brakes.

For some reason, it didn't take off.

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Tim 435

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Post Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:39 pm

Re: twin tube frames for 45 racers.

Believe it was scrapped for the K-model..
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Chris Haynes

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Post Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:39 pm

Re: twin tube frames for 45 racers.

Tim 435 wrote:Believe it was scrapped for the K-model..



It was dropped years before the K was thought of.
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45Brit

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Post Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:10 am

Re: twin tube frames for 45 racers.

I don't know why, but the introduction of all-welded tubular frames is definitely a post-WW2 phenomenon; look at the change BSA made from the lug-and-tube rigid and plunger frames to the all-welded, tubular A7 and A10 frames, or Norton's adoption of the Featherbed. I assume it's to do with war-time developments in welding procedures?
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busterbboy

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Post Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:42 am

Re: twin tube frames for 45 racers.

'Parently that was an aluminum frame... an experiment that ended in the jaws of the crusher, as one that didn't work out.

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Post Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:41 am

Re: twin tube frames for 45 racers.

Does anybody have a connection in the H-D archives? If you can get to the photo archives look in a group of photos from 1946. They are in the negative number range of about 17025-17040. This is a batch of photos listed as "County Fair", if memory serves correctly. There are pictures of Chan, Anthony and other riders on these twin downtube machines. A group shot of several of them together prove that more than two were built. I have neg numbers 17028 Jimmy Chan left side, 17035 Leo Anthony left side , and 17036 again with Leo Anthony right side. I saw the negative in that group with a line of several WLR's but didn't order a copy when I had the chance. :cry:

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